windstruck
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Post by windstruck on Jan 16, 2015 8:06:55 GMT
So, pathfinder material is allowed on a case-by-case basis... Would Drench, Breeze, and Air Bubble be ok to have?
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Post by Cendar on Jan 16, 2015 12:59:51 GMT
Since I don't know Pathfinder at all, I'll need descriptions of the spells.
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Post by Kitsune on Jan 16, 2015 13:57:35 GMT
They're hyperlinked, Cendar. Click on each spell.
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Post by Cendar on Jan 16, 2015 14:15:51 GMT
And that's the problem with reviewing that on an iPad. Reviewing now.
1) This one might be OK, but I want another staff member's opinion first.
2) I'd say yes, but it would have to be bumped up to a 1st level spell instead of a cantrip.
3) Yes, but as a 2nd level spell instead of a 1st level spell.
The reasoning for bumping them up is comparative spells. Breeze can be compared to Resistance, and it's definitely more powerful, if somewhat situational, so it gets a bump. Air Bubble can be compared to water breathing, but with a lesser duration, so I think level 2 instead of 1 or 3 is reasonable.
Other mod opinions?
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Post by windstruck on Jan 16, 2015 14:45:39 GMT
Oh geeze. Air bubble is only 1 minute per level and comparable to a waterproof bag in some situations. Mainly when it comes to protecting items and keeping them dry. Water breathing is 2 hours. Anyway, in that case I'll have to ask about about another cantrip... Spark. Basically replaces a tindertwig, although it has a range... If you're tempted to bump that one up, I'd suggest just fixing the range to touch.
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Post by Cendar on Jan 16, 2015 19:18:30 GMT
With a range of touch, I think Spark is OK. The concern I would have is using it in conjunction with a grease spell, or the like, to make an area instantly catch on fire. With the provision that it cannot be used in that fashion, I think Spark is fine.
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Post by NineOfSpades on Jan 16, 2015 19:21:34 GMT
1 is good.
2 & 3. Cendar has pretty much covered my thoughts.
Spark: This spell has no function if it is made usable at melee, since prestidigitation already can be used to light flammable objects, among other things, and gives you an hour's worth of minor magical goodies.
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Post by Cendar on Jan 16, 2015 19:37:26 GMT
I ruled once that prestidigitation can be used to light flammable objects, and it quickly got way out of hand for a cantrip. Then I looked at the SRD entry on prestidigitation, which says, "Prestidigitations are minor tricks that novice spellcasters use for practice. Once cast, a prestidigitation spell enables you to perform simple magical effects for 1 hour. The effects are minor and have severe limitations. A prestidigitation can slowly lift 1 pound of material. It can color, clean, or soil items in a 1-foot cube each round. It can chill, warm, or flavor 1 pound of nonliving material. It cannot deal damage or affect the concentration of spellcasters. Prestidigitation can create small objects, but they look crude and artificial. The materials created by a prestidigitation spell are extremely fragile, and they cannot be used as tools, weapons, or spell components. Finally, a prestidigitation lacks the power to duplicate any other spell effects. Any actual change to an object (beyond just moving, cleaning, or soiling it) persists only 1 hour."
It specifically cannot do damage or, more importantly, cannot duplicate any other spell effects, which to me would also be lighting things on fire.
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Post by windstruck on Jan 16, 2015 21:30:25 GMT
I don't think you should worry about it being used to light up grease. It's something that SHOULD be allowed to happen. Instantly, you say? No, first you have to use a standard action to cast grease, then the next round you have to use another standard action to cast spark (in touch range). That would cause attacks of opportunity. It's no different from using a tindertwig, and no less cheesy when it comes to lighting other things on fire, like oil, torches, fuses, trails of gunpowder leading to a bunch of kegs...
But with the mention of that, I have to ask... where in the grease spell does it say you can actually light it on fire? Is that some sort of house rule? Maybe you ought to just go with "grease lit on fire will instantly and harmlessly burn up" or "grease is actually a special, magical substance that is highly resistant to fire".
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