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Post by soup on Jan 20, 2015 12:05:00 GMT
Hey all, Redirected from my questions thread as I noticed there's separate section for homebrew requests. I'd like to request Drolyts Vow of Poverty Fix to be reviewed. Maybe with the following changes: I feel the AC bonuses are a bit frontloaded, maybe move the deflection bonus to 6th level? Also, I'm not a fan of gaining Flight, so I'd be fine with that bonus being removed, or changed to something like added mobility (maybe +10 movement speed?) Cheers!
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Death
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Post by Death on Jan 20, 2015 13:20:27 GMT
The one thing I adamantly don't agree with looking at the Vow of Poverty Fix is the section under 'Variant' where it says give the feat to Tier 4, 5, and 6 and take away the restrictions so you can have as many items as you want without the restrictions. Vow of Poverty has always been an extremely overpowered feat and if you could get it with martial classes, I think that this takes away the feats drawback of owning nothing and allows for very, very overpowered characters. It's supposed to be a sacrifice taking this feat, give and get, a trade if you will.
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Post by soup on Jan 20, 2015 17:26:54 GMT
I realize Vow of Poverty is a can of worms best left alone. There have been so many discussions whether or not its overpowered, underpowered or just right. Personally, I don't mind the original feat, even though its a little on the weak side. The main part I don't agree with is the fact that vow of Poverty is restricted only to Exalted characters. I feel there are many more archetypes to explore based around voluntary poverty. Which I why I do like the changes Drolyt made.
Most of the changed abilities stem from the argument that high level characters need certain abilities, such as flight and true sight to be a contender. While I partly agree with that argument, I don't think arbitrarily giving flight to every adventuring hobo is correct. Also, Death, I agree with you on the silliness of the Variant rule. I believe that part of the fix can easily be scrubbed.
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Post by Sir Shadow on Jan 21, 2015 9:36:53 GMT
I've always banned Vow of Poverty in my games, just saying.
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Post by Gaiyamato on Jan 21, 2015 12:22:57 GMT
Honestly, VoP is along the lines of Flaws, but only becomes noticeable at high levels. At low levels it is always overpowered, at high levels it is often grossly under powered for most builds.
The idea of voluntary poverty as an exalted feat is that you are giving up some of your power. If you get back power to match what you gave up then you haven't really given anything up.
I think either use it as it is or ban it entirely frankly.
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Post by windstruck on Jan 21, 2015 13:07:11 GMT
Of course, if you are really intent on a character who practices voluntary poverty, there's nothing stopping you...
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Post by soup on Jan 22, 2015 11:08:16 GMT
Alright then. It seems VoP is not the greatest hit here. I'll refrain from using it then.
Hmm, looks like I'll have to adjust my character concept somewhat, no biggie.
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Post by Death on Jan 22, 2015 11:55:17 GMT
I mean the only real problem I have is the variant part, otherwise it looks good. There are far more OP things in D&D than Vow of Poverty. None of us are staff so you could always wait for staffs opinions first.
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Post by Gaiyamato on Jan 27, 2015 0:41:43 GMT
Yeah I don't mind it as written myself. Wait for a staff opinion before you give up etc. I just have not ever yet seen a VoP "Balance" that is actually balanced. I think it is much like Flaws - inherently unbalancable.
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Death
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Post by Death on Jan 31, 2015 20:39:07 GMT
The Vow of Poverty is by itself meant for only certain classes. Many classes such as Wizards/Rangers/Fighters/etc etc can't effectively utilize it. But where it is OP is if a Monk has Vow of Poverty, or a Healer of the class in the Miniatures Handbook. In a recent tabletop game that just ended IRL our groups healer had the Vow of Poverty and it worked wonders, because the char itself didn't need anything. Its a nuisance on the wrong class, and extremely Op on the right ones, but D&D has much more OP things than that.
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Post by NineOfSpades on Feb 2, 2015 17:35:24 GMT
Vow of poverty is to broken for normal use, due to its ability to drastically unbalance certain classes. We are already a high powered board due to numerious class fixes and homebrew content. I do not feel that adding more to this would be wise at this time.
Denied.
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